Ron.
9th of March 2022
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW they ruined ron tho
Grumer why?
Theodore Z DiAngelo Rin was pretty good in the books. The movies turned him into a gluttonous idiots
Grumer Come to think of it, I can't remember Ron being important in the first four movies at all.
allhailthewatcher I don’t think he did magic once in the HBP movie
Grumer When his wand broke he did something
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW the movies gave important lines to hermione so she could be the clever and brave one and downplayed things that were important to him. in the third book, ron is devastated about the loss of scabbers and just wants hermione to apologise since it's reasonable to think crookshanks killed scabbers. Hermione is clearly in the wrong because she refuses to accept responsibility. In the movie, they just bicker about it and Ron doesn't seem to care all that much. So hermione can remain flawless and Ron can be the petulant child
Theodore Z DiAngelo They also downplayed nevilles roll in the first ine. Like ron wasnt even there for the detention. Also neville was there for the discovery of fluffy
Grumer Jup, I basically forgot everything about the movies. But that seems about right.
14th of March 2022
Theodore Z DiAngelo Thats one reason of my dislike for ron. Like any slytherin is a slimy snake.
He is so biased. Yet his own fuckong grandmother was a slytherin.
Kiritaru Yeah, bigoted ass. I wonder if they even talk to their grandparents
Theodore Z DiAngelo Fucker deserves auntie tess dress robes
Also lets not forget he has a squib cousin taht they treat like shit too
Kiritaru I saw a line in this one fic that was like, Fred and George would have rocked those robes and made them cool. But all Ron can do is whine. Can't remember the name but it stuck with me. He's such a lazy shit. Doesn't have money, but instead of finding a side hustle like everyone else, or studying hard to get a good job like also everyone else but Ginny... He just gets resentful.
The one they can an accountant but I saw somewhere is like actually a stockbroker making way more money then them
Theodore Z DiAngelo I read a fic like that too. One i read harry did some cutting charms and fixed it up fkr the little bitch
Ginny became a professional quidditch player didnt she
Kiritaru Honestly it's not hard to make a vintage robe look good. Yeah the smell was weird... But are they wizards or not. You can't do something about a bad smell you are a failure of a wizard
I Live In Seven Clouds Wasn't he just normally biased against Slytherins?
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Theodore Z DiAngelo Also anyone notice that most of the escalations against slytherin ron and hermione do? Who accepted the wizards duel? Ron. Who pararded onto the firld and stuck thier nose in quidditxh practice? Hermione. Like harry very rarely escalted. Like thenonly time i remeber ks when he asks malfoy if his mothers nose is always turned up like that or when hes around
18th of March 2022
I Live In Seven Clouds But like, JKR sets up this whole character arc throughout canon for both of them leading upto not just them becoming more mature individuals, but also compatible as a couple
Of course
JKR being JKR
Her character development sucks
But i can see the potential in the pair
And there's a fuckton of fics i love that has beautifully done Romione so i love that ship
Artemis i havent read a lot of fics about ron tbh
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW Ron is just so easily angered I cannot stand him
And I know he's a kid but I hate that in people
I Live In Seven Clouds Made him real to me tbh
Ron's still the most teen- ish character in the series
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW I mean maybe but teens also suck
Artemis hes easy to drop harry tbh i find that worse than him being easily angered
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW So how am I to like him
I Live In Seven Clouds Love him so idk
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW I don't trust people like that
Artemis true i sometimes forget how flawed teens can be
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW Yea true but I think the two go together
Him dropping harry is probably mostly because of his insecurity that's exacerbated by his impulsive anger
And I think you can't really get rid of being quick to anger, only manage how you present your emotions
I Live In Seven Clouds Mostly in year 4, year 7 is a bit more tricky with the horcrux and worry about his family
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW So that's why I would back away slowly from this kid
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW I haven't read the last book properly, but my understanding is that they all become assholes under its influence? So it depends on whether it makes them assholes saying asshole-shit or assholes saying mean stuff they truly believe
I Live In Seven Clouds Assholes saying asshole shit
Harry's just as much of a dick as Ron in that scene imo
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW It could always just be that Ron has less mental defenses, which isn't really his fault
25th of March 2022
Theodore Z DiAngelo Also aint ni damn way harry is realistically gonna wanna be an auror.
He spent the last sevem years trying to fix this billshit he needed a break
And ron is too damn hotheaded to be one.
21st of April 2022
Kiritaru Ron is too selfish for those kinds of ideas. He's a shit friend. Remus is a coward who didn't give two shits shits about Harry. Ever. He only ever acted as Dumbles tool to control and manipulate Harry's feelings. Sirius never went against Dumbles and wouldn't have. Sirius may have gone against others, but he never did against Dumbles. To the point of damaging his own health and well being and destroying his own family legacy. Sirius could have done dozens of things that weren't explicitly against Dumbles orders to make Harry's life just a little better, but he never bothered. I hate canon Sirius almost as much as I hate Dumbles.
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nmckl (nateyeh) How's Ron a bad friend in canon?
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Kiritaru Lol... How's he a good friend in canon? He's selfish, jealous, a bully, stupid, makes situations worse for Harry, isolated Harry with his actions towards their peers, drops him when the going gets tough and only shows back up when it looks like there's glory to be had again...etc etc etc
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nmckl (nateyeh) Ron presumably told his mum that Harry wasn't expecting any presents for xmas, which got him some actual presents, sacrificed himself in the chess game, came over to the Dursleys’ house to rescue Harry, defended Hermione against Draco's prejudice despite a broken wand, had a phobia of spiders but still went with Harry to Aragog, accompanied Harry in most of Voldemort's end-of-year-murder-attempts stood up to a (presumed) insane mass murderer on a broken leg.... I could go on. Harry is more slytherin-phobic than Ron, you know
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Kiritaru Fair enough. I woke up in a "kill it with fire" kind of mood, so I won't argue too much. It's true he did those things. However. Harry's Slytherin phobia was created and curated by Ron Weasley, Albus Dumbledore, and Rubeus Hagrid.
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nmckl (nateyeh) Yes I agree with that! I really hate that attitude in the books. Go on, hate these random 11-year olds bc of their school house, Harry
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nmckl (nateyeh) — 04/21/2022
I think of bashing as like, choosing a character, however good or bad, and making their flaws their entire personality. For example completely ripping on Ron for his actions in book 4.
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nmckl (nateyeh) ^^ Which tbf JKR does to alot of canon-bad characters She seems to think if a character is bad they're open to ridicule and mocking
Official Oldest Brother👱 So we can’t really fault Ron for being a realistic teenager
Hermione was perfect and Harry was somehow emotionally and mentally stable after all the shit he went through
nmckl (nateyeh) Yup. I also don't mind Magpie's Ron bc he isn't quite canon Ron He's not a different character per se, but he isn't the same as canon Ron
Kiritaru Lol yeah I see that. But for me, Ron has too many flaws and whatever decent parts of his character there are, aren't enough to overcome the bad. But it's also highly personal. For some, myself included, disloyalty on the level displayed by RW is an unforgivable sin. For others, they can get past it. Betrayal is one of the biggest touchy points for a lot of people though. And as much as you can argue Ron's good points, I could counter each one, because I absolutely cannot stand his existence. Like it literally pains me to the point that I will stop reading amazing stories if they start on some "Ron is such a great loyal friend" bullshit. Betrayal from an acquaintance or business partner is one thing. Betrayal from one of the closest people to you, your actual or surrogate family, is completely something else.
11th of May 2022
Call me GT My peeve is that JK did not use Ron to the full potential. He practically lived most of the time with Harry. It would have been reasonable for them to talk. JK could have done so much with that, but she never really does
Mia 💖 Also works with my last point, Ron has never had the attention because of his brothers and now it’s even worse because of Harry being so famous, he tries to be a good friend and he cares about Harry so obviously he doesn’t normally verbalise this but that kind of shit builds up in you over time, I’m not surprised at all that he blew up when Harry was selected. He’s been overlooked by everyone in his entire school in favour of Harry for three years now and that’s been building inside of him for three years, of course when the straw that breaks the camels back (Harry being chosen despite the rules for yet another thing, this time something that is going to get him even more international fame and a chance at gold that Harry will never need and Ron desperately does) occurs he’s going to be mad first and not be able to think rationally and talk to Harry about it. He’s FOURTEEN for christs sake he’s a kid! He’s a teenager with unstable emotions and a shit ton of insecurity and jealousy that he hasn’t ever been able to talk to anyone about I’m not at all surprised that he was too angry to act rationally until something as scary as the first task occurs to knock him back to reality and worry him enough about Harry to get over his jealousy
Call me GT Agreed, I just feel bad that the complexity is never really shown in the books
Mia 💖 Yeah and honestly I think that’s part of the reason so many people dislike Ron so much, they see him and he’s so damn human and realistically flawed in a way that Harry and Hermione really aren’t (especially in the fanon presentations of them) and when they look at all of them together Ron cannot possibly measure up. He’s just a kid, doing his best with the limited tools at his disposal to help his friends while Harry is the chosen one with an infallible saviour complex and Hermione is the girl wonder smartest witch of her age and it makes it hard to see Ron as as good of a character as them because they set such unrealistic ‘perfect character syndrome’ standards
Mia 💖 Oh yeah 100%, JK could’ve done SO much more with Ron if she really put in the time to develop her characters properly
Ah wow I think I just realised that I like Ron Weasley a LOT more than I thought I did Sorry about all that
Call me GT Nah, it is nice to see people talk about characters
Kiritaru Ronald has only ever been in it for the glory. More, he desires glory without actually working for it. This is shown as his overarching motivation throughout the years. He's never been a good friend to Harry Potter. He was friends with The Boy Who Lived. I get that people identify with him because he had successful and hard working older siblings who each made something of themselves. But understanding where his motives came from doesn't excuse his shitty behavior as a friend. The only credit I will give him is his actions in PoA when he thought Sirius was out to get them. But even then, I can't help but think he probably thought it was a pretty glorious way to die and be remembered forever
LunaRyugamine Don't be! I actually agree with you for the most part. I don't necessarily like Ron as a character (his interactions with Hermione just made me upset) but he's a very realistic person. If JK Rowling had made him own up to his flaws and make it up to Harry and Hermione when he blows up at them instead of them almost instantly forgiving him, I would like him a lot more.
Mia 💖 Yeah the way he treats Hermione for most of the series is horrible but I also think it’s really realistic, and I don’t like the way he acts in those bad moments and that’s not at all what I’m saying I think he’s just a very real character in a way Harry and Hermione often aren’t, and I do wish that he’d actually made it up to Harry and Hermione in a meaningful way when he did blow up at them or hurt them but unfortunately it’s also really realistic that that’s just not what happens in those relationships a lot of the time-one person does something incredibly cruel and hurtful then a few days or weeks later they’re like oh yeah that was shitty sorry and their friend is like yeah but it’s chill, especially with male/female friendships. Like if course Hermione instantly forgives him when he makes his half assed teenage boy apologises-she’s an insecure teenaged girl and Harry and Ron are as far as we can tell the first real friends she’s ever had of course she’s desperate to keep them
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW And yet he's a gryffindor. Makes no sense if he didn't argue with the hat. His greatest desire is something quite ambitious
Kiritaru Yeah, he's ambitious, but I think that his glory seeking and laziness keep him far from Slytherin. Percy, now, that boy could have been a good Slytherin
Theodore Z DiAngelo He couldnt be some slimy snake
Call me GT Fred and George could have gone to Slytherin too. Or even ravenclaw
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW The twins, too. They are the only ones who make new magical things in the entire series
They open a store together
Mia 💖 Nah fred and George weren’t ravenclaws, they didn’t get a flying fuck about any magic that didn’t serve them and their goals
Theodore Z DiAngelo Im betting molly had somethinf to do with the anti-slytherin sentiments in ron. I doubt Arthur was like that
Kiritaru Honestly, he's only suited for the Lions. No loyalty or hard work, so absolutely not a puff. Stupid and not study worthy, so no Claw. The only place for him is the Lions den
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Mia 💖 Ron isn’t stupid
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW Y tho? I feel like we don't know enough about him to know his views
We see him whinging about malfoy tho
Theodore Z DiAngelo Well malfoys are twats so...
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW Wouldn't surprise me if he complained about the Slytherins at work ruing things
Kiritaru Agreed. For sure actually. Probably not Ravenclaw for them due to not being that interested in knowledge for its own sake
Theodore Z DiAngelo Theyre pompous gits who think theyre better than everyone
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW Not stupid, necessarily, but certainly not interested in learning
Theodore Z DiAngelo Ron is a strategic genius.thats about all there is for him in the smarts department.
Kiritaru Arthur was corrupt as fuck. He targeted dark families. He could fit sure be the source as well
Mia 💖 But he is still intelligent, just because he’s not book smart or particularly interested in school doesn’t make him stupid
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW And it's not even used in the series because we can't have battle strategies and give Ron a way to use his skills
Kiritaru Being good at chess doesn't make someone a strategic genius
Mia 💖 Besides he doesn’t even get bad grades, he probably would’ve done very well in school if he tried
Mia 💖 Not caring about school doesn’t make someone stupid, getting mad doesn’t make someone not loyal
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW I'm willing to accept him as good at strategy based on his chess skills. But it's never use
Theodore Z DiAngelo Youd also think hed be better at quidditch comsidering howntheyd always play at the burrow
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW Exactly. Fandom loves to portray molly as a screeching banshee but barely anyone mentions how shit Arthur is
Mia 💖 I thought he was good at quidditch?
Kiritaru Betraying and abandoning your mates when the going gets tough is the definition of disloyalty. And I honestly don't think that kid was smart based on his words and actions through the series
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW He's barely a father
Kiritaru Good, yes. Genius.. absolutely not.
Kiritaru Right? He had an advantage of growing up with a built in team to practice with constantly
Mia 💖 He stormed off in a fit of rage after wearing a horcrux for like 12hr, never intending to actually leave for good. He immediately tried to go back but couldn’t find them. How is that betraying your friends?
Theodore Z DiAngelo Fourth year...
Kiritaru It's really sick how all of the ministry employees are so corruptTheodore Z DiAngelo
And please dont use the horcrux excuse. Those thoughts were already there. The horxrux just brought them to the surface
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW We keep having the same arguments about ron
Maybe I should add one of them to the rambling fic after all
Theodore Z DiAngelo RON IS A GIT. Point blank period. There os no denying this
Kiritaru Goblet of Fire. Plus, he went home because he couldn't hack it. That's abandonment.
Mia 💖 I just don’t get how y’all can hate on him so gd much for making mistakes. He was 17 years old and in the middle of a fucking war, you cannot tell me that you would handle the situation perfectly. And I’ve already talking about the gof thing so I’m not even going into that again
Stars Y’all, remember that civil discussion is encouraged and you certainly don't have to like the same characters, but try not to make statements like this please
If you find yourself getting heated or angry, take a step back from the situation and come back later
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW I mean... Considering wixen, "good" at strategy is basically genius
Theodore Z DiAngelo Um like five characters from the book call him a git. So what is wrong with my statement?
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW You're kinda shutting the door for discussion with it
Theodore Z DiAngelo Saying ron is a git is something we can all agree on despite his good and bad traits hes a git
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW People call others git all the time. That doesn't mean they are inherently gits, just acting like a git
Kiritaru I understand your point.. but I can also argue that the "war" wasn't so much a war but a coup with a few skirmishes here and there. We all experience things differently, and react to situations differently. We judge because we don't like the way this character did. Honestly, I could go into detail about how almost every canon character sucks in one way or another
Stars Characters in the book may do so, I'm speaking of broad statements that is completely shutting down discussion about a character. You may think so, but you can't speak for everyone on the matter
Theodore Z DiAngelo Im curius now. Luna and neville how do they suck in one way or another
Kiritaru Except Luna. Love that little cinnamon roll
Theodore Z DiAngelo I honestly think the nargle and wrackspurt talk could have been a coping mechanism after seeing her mother die.
Kiritaru Neville is ok too. Maybe he could have done things better, but I see an emotionally abused little boy in him
Theodore Z DiAngelo Fucming algie
Kiritaru I don't let Gran off the hook either. Like seriously... That is your grandchild wtf
Theodore Z DiAngelo Oh no that okd battleaxe isnt off thr hook either
Queen of the Cards, Lady of EHoW They are acknowledged the only ones we like. Maybe the ice cream guy
Theodore Z DiAngelo Fortescue was awesome. He taught harry more history of magic than the dead dude
Kiritaru There was a fic that gave him a history mastery. Or was that real? I don't even know anymore
Mia 💖 I mean sure it wasn’t a war in the way that we think of them with set battlefields and such but it definitely wasn’t just a political coup with a few fights. And yeah we do all react to high pressure situations differently and I understand that you hate the way he reacted and it feels like a betrayal-it feels the same to me when I watch or read it, but I’m also looking at it from an outside perspective, if you take away the hurt and betrayal feelings that covers his actions and just look at what he did and why. I like him because he’s a complex character with real, understandable, relatable flaws and motivations, he wants to be there and help harry because he loves him but he never wanted to be involved in a war-he’s right he didn’t know he was signing up for this when he became friends with Harry he just got dragged along-and honestly he has so much more to lose than either Harry or Hermione does if this goes badly
Ah whoops, I keep accidentally writing essays
Call me GT I think this basically boils down to the fact that canon Ron was written as a child, while JK made Hermione and Harry wiser than their years, and also never gave Ron consistent character development
Mia 💖 I don’t think she ever really developed any of their characters
But it sticks out less with the other two cause like you said she didn’t write them as kids, she wrote tiny hyper competent adults
KiritaruIts a valid perspective you have. I just don't have the same base assumptions that you build off of. I don't actually think he's particularly complex. I see and understand his motives differently. Where you see love, I see a glory hound. Where you see understandable teenage behavior, I see the others in the same situations who handle it with more grace and conscience. But that's what's great about this fandom. We have different experiences and ideas and views, and that's ok.
Call me GT JK was more focused on the big picture than any of the characters.
bat boogie dumbass And that big picture is honestly so neoliberal it hurts
Call me GT And this is basically a result of JK never fleshing out Ron as much as you would expect for a deuteragonist
Mia 💖 Yeah you’re right it’s great that we all have different perspectives of the characters. I and I understand why he seems like he’s seeking glory in some parts of the books, I just think about how the way he must have been raised shapes him into the kind of person looking for that. It probably helps that I relate to him and his position in his family that helps me look at him in such a nuanced way and with so much more empathy than y’all do
Call me GT I would honestly have liked Ron more than Harry if he had been given a little more character
Everyone other than Harry, Hermione and maybe Dumbledore felt very very flat